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Dear Malcolm

Thank you for the information as to how titles are used in the UK. I find it very interesting. The only titles I can think of that are used in the US have been earned. A judge for instance would be introduces as "The Honorable". One who has earned a doctorate degree or a medical Dr. would have Dr. before his or her name. Of course Mr., Mrs. and Miss are used in the same manner but for about 30 years we can use Ms. and sometimes dammed well better, I discovered, when addressing a Mrs. of a Miss. I don't know how we use Esq. I suppose it is much the same in many places. In the American Colonies British titles were used to some extent but that was phased out sometime after 1776. Probably soon after as those with such titles returned to the UK or Canada as some of my ancestors did. I was aware of many of the British titles but now I know how they are achieved and how the rank. I thank you for that.

As the reluctant Secretary/Treasurer of a local Steelhead fly club, hoping to be voted out of office in about seven hours with much to do prior to the meeting, I must cut this short. The Steelhead Trout is much like the Atlantic Salmon you are likely familiar with . I will try and find a photograph of a Steelhead in my files to attach.

Sincerely, Marlow

----- Original Message -----
From: Malcolm Page
To: marlowb
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:42 AM
Subject: Titles

Dear Marlow

One correction to my last e-mail. 'The Honourable' is always followed by Mr Mrs or Miss as: -

'The Honourable Mrs Dorothy Anne Bowlby'.

The children of non-hereditary Life Peerages are accorded the courtesy of being 'The Honourable.....' during their own lifetime. Very few advertise the fact! They prefer to be known as just Mr Mrs or Miss. One of my close friends is one such.

One highly eccentric woman who recently figured in a Court case here was the granddaughter of a Life Peer and as such was just a plain Miss Pilkington. She had however styled herself 'Lady Pilkington' a style to which she was not entitled.

Wives of Baronets and Knights are accorded the style of 'Lady........' but their husbands are 'Sir.........'

Mr or Master was a title assumed by propertied gentlemen from the middle classes upward until about the early 1800s when 'common' tradesmen would add Mr to their name to denote respectability. We are now are all Mr and Mrs. A subservient form of verbal and written address to Mr was 'Sir' and is still used where the recipient's name is not known to the writer.

Esquire were a rank below that of knight and were the sons of baronets, knights, officers of the king's courts, barristers and justices of the peace but then this was progressively attached to all professional men and eventually converted to a complimentary adjunct to a person's name in the addresses on correspondence. This custom is now much out of use in the UK.

Some Peers I have met never use their titles in the business or social scenes while others flaunt theirs for personal monetary gain and 'influence'.

Some snobbish eccentrics pay enormous sums of money for so-called Lordships relating to ancient Manorial rights. These are not peerages and just pass by ownership of the Manor 'rights'. These 'rights' are often residual relics of a by-gone era and usually have no pecuniary value in themselves. Someone buying such a Lordship and styling himself 'Lord of Brightling' would be regarded as a bit odd in the head here in the UK. Some European 'titles' are traded on the web but have no official recognition by the original country of origin such as France which discarded such fripperies under their Republican laws. Certain members of the old French Nobility still use their titles but they have no legal standing.

The heirs to certain Scottish Peerages assume the style of 'The Master of...........' taking a secondary title as in 'The Master of Maitland'.

If you know all the above already my apologies.

Best regards